topic Re: Gumbi Gumbi in Living with cancer

Gumbi Gumbi

deniseford — Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:04:22 GMT

Hi...has anyone heard of the Australian plant called Gumbi Gumbi...we have been told it is used as traditional medicine for Indigneous Australians. A friend has suggested it as a natural therapy for cancer....has anyone used this or know where to buy it. Thanks

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Eliza — Sun, 23 Jun 2013 00:29:17 GMT

Hello Deniseberry, I have been using this plant extract for nearly a month now. Was so lucky to have a friend who spent a lot of time in the outback of W.A. and knew some of the older Aboriginal people who used this plant as a medicine. We spent 12 hours looking for it, were just about to give up the search ( we'd been told where to go to find it ) when we stumbled across it. I now have a good supply to last for some months, thank goodness. Since taking the medicine I have been feeling so much healthier, and will be interested to see what difference it has made to my CA125 count when the next bloods are taken this next week. Am hoping that my Oncologist will be suprised at a difference in the results ! ! If you Google -- Scaevola Spinescens - a traditional 'bush medicine' that will take you to a heap of info about the plant and where it can be bought. We've been told of the effect it has had on people our friends know and as I'm not prepared to put all my faith in just chemo ( on my second lot now ) I have Ovarian cancer and was given 6 months maximum to live if I did not have more chemo. I also have changed my diet, take a lot of supplements a naturapath recommended, and take Alkala N to alkalize my gut.As I'm not interested in dying I'm hitting this cancer with everything I can. Hope this helps, Cheers, Eliza.

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maxineokeefe — Sat, 06 Jul 2013 03:13:19 GMT

Wow - I will do some research on this - Eliza thanks for sharing that I will let my husband know straight away! He has been taking Solanum Incanum - have you heard of that before? It is from Taiwan - his doctor and I are both really amazed at his general mood and vitality! It has only been one month but shows good signs - more energy and isn't sick constantly anymore. I can send you the site we used if you like. Max

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Eliza — Mon, 08 Jul 2013 00:52:42 GMT

Hi max, It's so good to find anything that can help us to feel better while having treatment isn't it. I have not heard of the Solanum Incanum your husband is taking; it's great it is having a positive effect. I had my 3rd lot of chemo 2 weeks ago. Before the 1st lot my CA125 was 480, a month later the test was 180, and the last test was down to 59. This is after only 2 lots of chemo - and of taking the Scaevola spinescens. It seems that something is working well. I haven't had a chance to discuss the figures with my oncologist yet so don't know if this is the norm or not. I'm due for a scan soon and that will be the most interesting result to get. May we all improve our health and have it stay that way! Cheers, Eliza

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Jules2 — Mon, 03 Mar 2014 03:29:50 GMT

Hi All The cancer council has a site that provides some comments on gumbi,gumbi - I just googled it and had a read. Might be worthwhile reading if anyone is considering using this as an option. :) Julie

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Tue, 08 Oct 2019 00:36:15 GMT

Hi All,

An excellent evidence-based resource for information on Maroon Bush and a wide range of other non-mainstream medications and treatments can be found here: http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/maroon-bush.

Kind regards,

Felix

Cancer Connections Team

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Ayolani — Sat, 11 Nov 2017 09:43:49 GMT

Hi Denise. Have you managed to find the Gumbi Gumbi?

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Margaret_CCNSW — Mon, 25 Feb 2019 00:32:11 GMT

Hi all,

Thanks for your posts.

At Cancer Council we support evidence-based treatments for cancer and have reviewed material on the efficacy of Gumbi Gumbi.

Cancer Council has a website which looks at claims related to cancer treatment and assesses them scientifically. This is the page on Gumbi Gumbi which looks at what it is and whether it works to treat cancer: Gumbi Gumbi.

In summary, there is no credible independent scientific evidence that gumbi gumbi extract has any effect on cancer.

This is another great resource from the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in the US: https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/diagnosis-treatment/symptom-management/integrative-medicine/herbs

We always recommend that if anyone is looking at alternative treatments for cancer either in addition to or in place of evidence-based medical treatment, please discuss these with your medical treating team.

Kind regards,

Margaret,

Online Community admin team

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CaptainAustrali — Mon, 07 May 2018 14:05:58 GMT

Indigenous male aggregate life expectancy: 69 years

White male average life expectancy: 80+

(I know that's all messed up by rural health & socio-economic issues, just want to illustrate that it may not be the place to look if you're after a secret to longevity and resistance to illness)

I wouldn't go digging around in the bush for secret berries to cure your disease. Or rather .. do whatever you want to do ........ but also LISTEN to your DOCTORS and if you want to survive, FOLLOW their advice.

If any race / culture has a secret potion, I'd go to Okinawa and eat their fish/vege diet ..

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royfaz — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:12:38 GMT

...nice broad stroke there about the connection to Indigenous Life Expectancy and bush medicines.

For your info, these treatments arent "secret berries" nor are they the answer to longevity...

Have a think about why the life expectancy is so low in Indigenous communities (heres a hint, its not because of "secret berries") before you comment on something you dont know about.

While youre at it, how about some words of encouragement and hope to people who are seeking that rather than a fast track reference to painful conventional treatments that companies profit and prosper over.

Let me know if you want to know more about bush medicines and the benefits they provide to Indigenous Australians.

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CaptainAustrali — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:54 GMT

I didn't directly connect bush medicine and indigenous life expectancy, as any idiot could plainly see.

There's a tapestry of issues impacting the statistic, and it's a SHAMEFUL statistic, for the traditional landowners and for the societies that formed later. It shows a disconnect between access, education & use of services that promote health & wellbeing. It's something that all humans should feel compelled to try and remedy, not bicker about like halfwits.

The thrust of my remark is simple: I strongly suggest making careful, data rational decisions about your care. There's a gamut of quack remedies out there for cancer, and they are marketed by grubby people to desperate people.

Cancer. Diabetes. Syphillis. Hepatitis. You want to find a cure ? Sure, look anywhere you like, try anything you like.

But, in my opinion, if you choose to forego evidence based treatment with a chance at real, measurable health outcomes - you might as well be standing staring up at a medicine wagon with a vapid, drooling stare, and the person giving you the advice should be singing a song and have a dancing girl or two while they huckster you.

If you think you have an "alternative" to evidence based treatment, you're rolling the dice with your life. Think twice, thrice, and take every advice. Concurrent to the "horrible, destructive" conventional treatments ? Do what you want. In substitution to ? You're making a terrible mistake.

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royfaz — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:29:36 GMT

... doesn’t really matter anymore.

My mother died on the 9th of Feb this year.

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Dazb — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 07:00:27 GMT

Sorry for your loss royfaz

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Dazb — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 07:42:19 GMT

As far as gumbi gumbi goes it is one of those amazing plants that have many health benefits to us, and there are quite a few other plants that can, have and do benefit in the treatment of cancers.

Because these herbal treatments are not used by pharmacutical companies nor approved by FDA & TGA doesn't mean they don't work. Because of the years gone by that these herbals have been used for there are thousands of testimonials where people have removed their cancers with them.

You only have to join the many facebook discussion groups on cancers and the relevent ones to those herbs used to treat them to see the large following and testimonials as people use them solely or in conjunction with modern treatments.

Some of these herbs are cannabis, it has proven time and time again as a treatment for cancer and many other conditions but what politician wants to walk into the nightmare of legalising it for medicinal treatment here in Australia.

Another is Bloodroot powder taken in capsules mixed with other know cancer fighting herbs like Graviola and Cat's Claw. Testimonials for Bloodroot seem to cover many types of cancer.

Another is Essiac Tea, you can't deny the history of this american indian herb mix used by nurse Rene Caisse to cure many of her palitive care cancer patients in the early 1900s. The secret of the herb mix is it has to contain sheep sorrell 'roots', not just the aerial parts of the plant.

Then there is our Gumbi Gumbi only found in Australia, it has thousands of years of history to be the number 1 medicine tree of the aboriginals. It is being studied by universities around the world to discover it's secrets scentifically, the University of Greifswald Research Centre in Berlin found that treating rats with Gumbi Gumbi leaf tea stimulated tumor necrosis factor production… thus killing cancer cells.

It has many other uses one of which is boosting immune system, even if you elect chemo treatment Gumbi Gumbi can be beneficial in trying to repair the immune system that the chemo is going to kill.

There is nothing wrong with including a herbal treatment with modern treatments, and those that refuse the modern treatment or have no further modern treatment available still have something to fight with in these natural herbal treatments.

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linda1 — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:00:50 GMT

Hello I am new to this forum,but am interested in the gumbi gumbi products for my husband when nothing else seems to be working, can the capsules be taken while he is on chemo? thanks lyn

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Dazb — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:15:38 GMT

The gumbi gumbi is not known to effect any medications so can’t see any reason not to take them while doing chemo.

There is info on them at this site

www.inetherbal.com

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linda1 — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:21:54 GMT

Thankyou for your reply will be talking to them on monday for a bit more info got to try something it is not looking good at the moment. lyn

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Margaret_CCNSW — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:19:10 GMT

Hi all,

Thanks for your posts. This may be helpful information about Gumbi Gumbi, provided by Cancer Council Australia. I posted this last year on this thread, but wanted to offer the comments and resources again.

Cancer Council Australia has a website which looks at claims related to cancer treatment and assesses them scientifically. This is the page on Gumbi Gumbi which looks at what it is and whether it works to treat cancer: Gumbi Gumbi.

In summary, there is no credible independent scientific evidence that gumbi gumbi extract has any effect on cancer.

This is another great resource from the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in the US: https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/diagnosis-treatment/symptom-management/integrative-medicine/herbs

Kind regards,

Margaret,

Online Community admin team

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Keith — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:59:02 GMT

Are you speaking of Denise Ford?.

After losing my wife to Ovarian cancer I have some idea of what Denise went through. I take my hat off to Denise for her going through her 6 year battle. I
hope she had some quality of life and deepened her family relationships during this time. My wife passed after just 8 months from diagnosis of stage 3 Ovarian. She had gone to the doctor over just a mild discomfort in the abdomen that she thought it wise to have checked out. Her next 8 months was mostly a hellish time for her as she battled to overcome, first the after- effects of debulking surgery and the agonies of a bowel that all but closed up on her.

My dear wife wanted to use alternative treatments, but unfortunately she just didn't have the capacity for taking the very solid regime her naturopaths put her on. And the OC didn't give her the time for them to work. She had been referred to a specialist but by the time he came back from leave and "cleared his desk" and delivered the diagnosis, the cancer had exploded in her abdomen to the point where she could only swallow a fraction of the tiniest meal.

She went for a 3 week cleanse at Living Valley Springs, where she learned the cause of her cancer: After cleansing a couple of weeks she was exuding creosote, which she had derived from breathing the wood smoke from two very inefficient wood burners over 3 decades. She had had a 12 year menopause, but had never before got to the bottom of her hormonal imbalance. Cresote comprises a multitude of chemicals that disrupt the hormonal balance.

It seems that regular medicine is uninterested in finding the cause of a person's cancer. It is interested only in making money from the thousands of dollars raked in on chemo. But just how much does chemo help? I discovered a study entitled "The contribution of cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5-year survival in adult malignancies". Anyone suffering cancer of any sort should look this up. Its all over then 'net. Performed by conventional medicine, it concluded the answer is 2.3% in Australia and 2.1% in the USA. Not only that, but it is rarely used to extend life, but just to make the death process more comfortable!

The treating oncologist was very surprised - and indeed emotional - when his chemo failed to touch the cancer!

Gumbi Gumbi, and for that matter any other successful natural treatment will never see the light of day until Big Pharma finds they can extract, modify and patent the active ingredient. Until then it will remain very deliberately buried in a sea of negative reports and warnings while people continue to have their immune systems wrecked, being poisoned by chemo and in many places like New Zealand being bankrupted by it as well.

Cheers,

Keith

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Keith — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 02:10:03 GMT

"In summary, there is no credible independent scientific evidence that gumbi gumbi extract has any effect on cancer."

Of course there isn't Margaret! Do you really imagine ANY pharmaceutical company would allow such "scientific" information decimate the huge income they make from chemo?

Why on Earth do you suppose they keep conventional medicine oriented around easily manipulated statistics rather than listening bto real life testimonies of hundreds of thousands of people cured - yes cured - for a few cents?