Why don't we have one of these in Australia?

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As I said, Im sorry for your loss. I do agree in part with what you are saying. And because we live in this great place, you have a right to voice it. However, most of us on this site are relying right now on our doctors and the system to treat us for cancer, we rely on them to treat us with the latest technology and medicines. It is a sensitive subject when you are dealing with people who are at this very moment, just trying to survive. I guess we all have our horror hospital stories but I for one try to focus on the positives.
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bev
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I agree Vanessa, Yes, with my gyno oncologist he has on his team: radiation oncologist, social workers, psychologist, etc. All a great team at Westmead.
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Jules2
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When i was diagnosed with my first cancer which was amelanotic melanoma, the oncologist that treated me was highly regarded int he world for his work. So much so that he DID have patients coming from america to see him and see what he could do with them. This time i am under another very clever oncologist who gets great results, highly regarded throughout australia. My neurologist that i had for my ms, once gain highly regarded through australia. No idea where they trained, i just know they keep fixing me and for that i am thankful and grateful. I agree with Vanessa, this is a sensitive subject and for those people who are currently being treated. You do need to be able to believe in your team and i think most do, i know that i do.
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Sailor
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Hi everyone I'm buying into this in a big way as I think we have a lto to be proud of here in this country. Yes you can cite places like the Sloan Kettering, but we aslo have places like thew world renowned Peter MacCallum Cancer Institute. It is all very well to cite the best of the US, which has a mauch large population that Australia, but we also need to look at the worst and the average. Irt may surprise people to know that according to WHO statistics our five year survival for all cancer is well ahead of the US and thrid in the world behind Sweden and Japan. Not bad for a population of 20M people in a country the size fo the US. It is however, the aim of the government ot have two centres as good as anywhere in the world, the new one in Sydney that Chris O'brien fought for, and the Parkville Comprehensive Cacenr centre that will incorporate the Peter Mac. Having experienced health care in the US and Eurpoe, I can say that I thank God each day that I was treated in Australia. The treatment I had was not avaialble in Europe and I could not have afforded it in the US. The treatment was given by a radiation oncologiost who is world renowned and at a centre that is a Beta test sight for one of the mnajhor medical suppliers hi tech equipment. Colleagues int he US were amazed at the equipment use to treat me - not yet avaialbel in the US at the time. Yes there are probolems with our health system, but nowhere near the problems that they have int he use, where it costs 19% of their GDP compe=ared to an OECD avergae of 8% - we are 9%. As I said, you have got me going. Cheers Sailor
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Sailor, you are so right. I knew those statistics existed but did not want to say anything as I didnt have the facts...you always do! My Specialists are always off at a conference somewhere in the world, keeping up to date with the latest. I know they are the best in their field - worldwide, not just here in oz. Not only from a medical point of view but also bedside manner and their care for my well being is just amazing. As far as their training goes, second to none.
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I think the conservative response to Obama's proposed health reforms has been disgraceful. I have a multidisciplinary team ten minutes from home and most days I thank God I don't live in USA where many people get confused by complex discussions that have both public policy and individual liberty aspects.
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This is an interesting excerpt from Scott W. Atlas, M.D., is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor at the Stanford University Medical Center comparing socialised medicine in comparison to American medicine. March 2009:- Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher. Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States. Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them. Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer: Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent). Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians. More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent). Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent). Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5] Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8] Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9] Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10] Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12] Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.
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Actually the response is both from democrats and conservatives. Its not politically motivated, poll after poll shows that the majority of Americans do not want socialised medicine - they do however want tort reform. Poll numbers show that 80% of Americans are happy with their healthcare and don't want govt interference. I'm sure your also aware that Obamas popularity has tanked due to his healthcare reform ideology not to mention his inability to get the economy going.
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harker
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This thread is now absolute rubbish PS. Your irrational world view has little to do with us here in Australia, as evidenced by the single unsubstantiated mention of Australia in paragraph 7 of your diatribe. I actually resent the way you are using this site.
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Jules2
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Amwn Harker!
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