We all have to face the end. What do you think happens ?

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We all have to face the end. What do you think happens ?

I don't really see much discussion around death, but let's face it - it's one commonality to the human condition - inevitably at some stage we all must die.

 

My son's jujitsu teacher died in a motorcycle accident very recently.  A young man, in his prime, early 30s.  I was given a very grim prognosis and have been fighting cancer for 3 years now - but may live another 30.  Who knows ?

 

But I do sometimes think about death:  what will it be like ?  Will it truly be the end ?  Will it be linear consciousness, and then, nothing ?

 

I've never *not* been.  I can't remember the womb, I can't remember many things from my childhood.  Slippage slippage, time drifts by.

 

When my son was a toddler, just learning to speak, I asked him if he could remember being in Mummy's Tummy.  He said YES.  I asked him what it was like.  He said it was warm.  Bright.  I asked him if he could remember BEFORE THAT.  He said YES.  I asked him what it was like.  He didn't have the vocabulary.

 

Who knows ?  Maybe there is something spiritual to us, something that exists before and after our corporeal existence ends.

 

Maybe not ?  Maybe it feels like falling into a dreamless sleep that you never wake up from - so the very concept of "feeling" becomes a redundancy.

 

Will I one day be no more ?  Will I go on somehow ?

 

There are people who will say stuff like "By Jesus' Grace, if you believe in Life Eternal you will go to HEAVEN (amen)", and that's OK.  There are people who say "logic dictates when your meat dies your perceptions end, game over".  (An equally viable BELIEF SYSTEM).

 

I don't have any specific belief construct.  I'm just musing, just throwing my thoughts out there into the void, in case some other passenger on Spaceship Earth is pondering the same stuff, and our common experience helps to shrug off the anxiety that perpetually surrounds death.

 

Hey, there are folks that believe you're already in heaven, or hell.  One of the (supposedly) smartest folks on the planet recently asserted that the odds are we're already living in an AI manufactured virtual reality (something like that great movie THE MATRIX).  Ok.  Belief systems are like rectums - pretty much everybody has one, and it's not much fun to compare them.

 

If I were a betting man, I'd probably speculate:

 

1) there is some kind of finer spiritual meaning to our life, we (meaning the spark of creative life within us) go on somehow

2) maybe consciousness CAN reform, be it in a bird or a fish or another human foetus

3)  The idea of Heaven & Hell is ever so much bullshit invented by early-man clubs looking to control the masses, and we never quite grew out of it.  Dogmatic religion is bullshit.

4) There MAY be some kind of God or Creator, may even be deeply aware and woven into our lives

5) Or death MAY be just like falling asleep and never waking up.  If you're in pain, it's an ending of pain.

6) Most of the reported near death experience stuff is probably bullshit - a kind of hysteria induced mass hallucination where we experience things based on common comforting themes shared previously in a kind of 'group think'

7) Even so we MAY transition to some completely new state of existence.  This body and mind slip away, consciousness reforms elsewhere, it could be like being in a cataclysmic car crash that impairs your mental function .. you were a living human, you're gone, now you're a baby, and reasoning and linear memory is reduced down to "warm", "cold" "scared" "hungry"

 

Anyway, if you're dying or think you're dying - don't be afraid - you're on the edge of humanity's enduring undiscovered country.  We can explore continents, the oceans, eventually space, our own internal physical and mental processes - but death is that ultimate mystery.

 

Until that final moment, reality is a temporary idea, something we've taken on sensory logic built over time.  It's possible that the objective reality you've accepted your entire life is an illusion.

 

Hey - maybe you're God, and when you get weary or start to work out that you're God, you reboot into a new life, a new reality, and endless series of The Sims style stories.

 

Whenever and however it happens - it's a bit of a backhanded gift and small consolation:  at least we may get to find out, eh ?

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Re: We all have to face the end. What do you think happens ?

Hi,

I think that this is a really interesting subject.  But each time I try to respond it brings up some uncomfortable memories, so I can't bring myself to talk about them.

Sorry.

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Re: We all have to face the end. What do you think happens ?

What an interesting topic! I was intrigued to read about your son, as a toddler, saying he remembered being in his mothers womb, and even earlier.

I had a similar experience with my daughter when she was around 3. She was sitting in front of the tv, waiting for Play School to start. I was in the kitchen that opened off the room she was in.

Suddenly I heard her shouting out OOOOH OOOOOH OOOOH! Very loud and very  very excited. I went running into the room to see what was happening.

She was pointing at the tv and terribly excited. On the tv was the end of a travelogue showing a boat going down a river somewhere in Germany.

I asked her what was the matter, she shrieked I lived there! I lived there! I asked her when she lived there, she said When I was a man!!!

I asked her when she was a man, but Playschool started and the moment was lost.

So yes, I do believe we have other lives  part of our consciousness survives. 

 

 

 

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Re: We all have to face the end. What do you think happens ?

It's such a tricky topic, as with anything that revolves around belief.

 

A sceptic will find 100 reasons why the idea of consciousness beyond physical life is 'illogical nonsense'.

A believer will find 100 anecdotal cases (like this kid in Glasgow  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wvbEQytuQk) where people speak compellingly about past life expeirences, and put it forward as evidence.

 

A rational person untainted by bias will have an open mind.  (As with anything touching on belief the ultimate answer is 'we just can't know for sure')

 

For my part, I think there's enough of those anecdotal cases, where young kids have described things from 'past lives' .. that it would give a thinking person pause.  You'd have to reach the ultimate, black-and-white, irrevocable conclusion that ..... "it might be so, who knows, it could be possible"

 

Heh.

 

If it's a logical system, then I think it is POSSIBLE that human existence continues in a cycle, and that spark of sentient life inside us, that potential to create and destroy, is something both more & less than our individual identity today.

 

It *MAY* have existed before and continue to exist after.

 

Moving from the physical body, it could even be .. you know .. ghost stuff .. a discorporeal spirit.

 

Then, inhabits a human foetus, and pretty quickly loses memory of the 'before' in new impulses of 'light' 'hunger' 'fear' 'mother'.

 

Or maybe we're all just meat, descended from monkeys.

 

My wife is re-watching THE BIG BANG THEORY on Netflix, an the funny thing about darwinism and the BBT is that it doesn't actually really answer the question of 'how did life begin?' .. which is more like an unanswerable chicken/egg riddle.

 

The theme song says it "The Whole Universe was in a Hot Dense State, then nearly fourteen billion years ago, expansion started.  Wait."

 

It doesn't work.

 

Question:  How was the universe created ?

Answer:  The whole universe was in a hot dense state

Question:  hold on, before that .. no universe .. how was it created ?

Answer:  Oh.  Right.  Uhh .. there was a big bang.

Question:  where did that bang come from ?

Answer:  You know .. sciencey stuff.

Question:  Is there a God ?

Answer:  Don't be ridiculous.

Question:  If there's a God and God created everything ..... who created God ?

Answer:  Probably a big bang or some other sciencey stuff.

 

It's a circular, eternal riddle.  Anyone who says they KNOW is flat-out-bite-a-dog crazy.

 

I think though, that's the intriguing and exciting thing about Death.

 

You may get a new clue to the riddle.

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Re: We all have to face the end. What do you think happens ?

I believe in reincarnation.  

I think my youngest child has been here before, & I think he holds my father's soul, as he was born the day after my father's death.   I've never had to show him how to do anything.   He has always known & is very mature.   I think he's a very old soul.  

 

It's a really interesting topic.

 

Budgie 

 

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Re: We all have to face the end. What do you think happens ?

Captain Australis

 

Write a book or 2 if you can. You're writing is fantastic. Easy to read, inspirational, interesting, relatable, thoughtful and thought provoking. 

I think about end of life.  What do we look like? Pasty ghostly white, shrivelled like a dried grape, lying in bed with loud breathing sounds not able to move the body or communicate however see/feel all through eyes wide open? Until we're given a lethal shot of morphone and die? Do we leave our dead bodies and float to heaven, can we still be apart of our nearest and dearest after we pass? 

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